Another potentially great story ruined by a shitty character

The argument that Theo fights for the peasents isn't a great one either. He basically leads thousands of them to their death in battle as well. All the parties involved use what they have at their disposal to try to achieve their means at the end of the day. To be fair, it has been a while since I watched it so I might have forgot some of the things she does, so maybe she does worse things actually.

As if we are gonna act as if ragebait doesn't exist.
"Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't already reason themselves into."
With how adamant you are about those shows you hate. How am I going to possibly convince you of anything about this show that you already made up your mind about. Even though you have certain points I agree with but others I don't.

I think the characters realize that she did what she did because she thought she needed to. Whther that justifies her actuons up for debatze of course, but that doesn't make her character bad automatically or that the other characters can't decide to forgive her.

Also from what I remember she herself does think she is beyond redemption and is surprised that they forgive her. So in that case it would be strange to call her character shitty if the character itself makes sense.

yeah, this show's "muh diplomacy and politics" bs sucks. It tried so hard to be mature, brutally pragmatic and emotionally detached, that it actually succeeded and made the whole thing unlikable and tedious to watch, ironically, despite its dizziyng pace. From the very beginning, nothing she fucking did considering her goals made any fucking sense. Just remembering sours my mood, so thanks a bunch you fuck. I can't disagree with you.

Bro really made an account just to vomit on an anime. I must say I appreciate the dedication.

Anyway you rate animes at an average of 2/10 so I'm not surprised you didn't like this one. However I suggest you find something else than animes and mangas as a hobby since you don't seem to enjoy it that much.

Maybe you could try pottery. You'd be able to makes nice pots.

Marrine is a tragic villain.

The most important thing in the story is the Grancrest, which is basically all the power united under one banner.

The first scene shows the attempt to achieve the Grancrest, through the marriage of Marrine and Alexis. It didn't work, and it got their fathers killed.

Marrine's plan for revenge and peace requires her achieving the Grancrest, and she doesn't want to put Alexis in harm's way, so her only choice is to do it through conquest. Sleeping with Milza and killing Villar and such are things she does because she has to in order to gain the Grancrest, not things she wants to do.

Later on, both Alexis' reassurance and Theo's successful campaign convince her that she doesn't have to do it all alone, and she joins their side against the true enemy, whom she has been preparing to fight the whole time.

The characters forgive her because they understand her motivation. This is literally explained in the show.

Marrine is a tragic villain.

The most important thing in the story is the Grancrest, which is basically all the power united under one banner.

The first scene shows the attempt to achieve the Grancrest, through the marriage of Marrine and Alexis. It didn't work, and it got their fathers killed.

Marrine's plan for revenge and peace requires her achieving the Grancrest, and she doesn't want to put Alexis in harm's way, so her only choice is to do it through conquest. Sleeping with Milza and killing Villar and such are things she does because she has to in order to gain the Grancrest, not things she wants to do.

Later on, both Alexis' reassurance and Theo's successful campaign convince her that she doesn't have to do it all alone, and she joins their side against the true enemy, whom she has been preparing to fight the whole time.

The characters forgive her because they understand her motivation. This is literally explained in the show.

@DragyG while It's true I don't enjoy this medium that much, my average score would be closer to 5, but I can't bother to add the stuff I like and rate high

but it always amazes me how anime fans are so unwilling to engage in critical discussion and most of them use insults the second you talk and rate negatively about anything.

it's quite annoying, any other fans -video games, tv shows, fantasy books- can take and engage in proper discussions even if their favourites are talked about in a negative light, because they don't take it as a personal insult...because it is not, but some of the replies here make it look like I talked bad about their family

upon further thinking, I remembered the reasoning for disliking it so much when I watched it. Nevermind the storytelling quality (it was awful by itself), the plot was absurd.

It made sense in a way, in that it somehow accomplished the thing it set out to do, but that thing was nonsensical.

The complete inversion of Marine and Alexis' characters, giving both of them caricatures of the opposite sex as characters. She's borderline barbarian and aggressive, always opting to use force and flex power, discarding all virtue, while he's, simply put, a complete effeminate homosexual.

Getting past the very concept of starting a war, which should be illogical enough, she also makes the stupidest choices, like get a bunch of actual foreigner barbarians to fight your war, and get them to do so by... drum roll... bitching yourself out to their leader.

Ah yes, test your resolve by ditching your dignity and self worth, letting yourself be fucked by this dude who's not going to be your king or consort or anything, literally a cock warmup. This is how a woman pretending to be a man acts. If I was her retainer I'd be like "can I get some of that? I also want to make sure you're worth working for".

Right then and there, the confidence and respect the people have for their queen would vanish. The funniest thing, and what I was actually expecting to happen, would've been if the dude actually betrayed her to save his own skin. It's what would've made the most sense. But the outcome was predetermined to be what it was, and all that happened in between wasn't meant to make sense or be congruent, but to add to her idiotic tragedy.

I saw this show years ago. I don't remember anything about it, except for how much I hated that bitch.

Sounds to me like you enjoeyd something and your inability to simply overlook some minor flaws not only soured but ruined the whole thing for you then^^

I get being passionate or getting into stuff like this. That's fine.

But sometimes it's not good/helpful to be this butthurt about fictional characters.
Suspend your disbelief a bit :)
I think if you do you will have a much better time, watching cartoons, than you're having right now.

It's not my fault that your profile is stereotypical of a ragebaiter starting off this thread. That you also stated you wanted to "share your pain" otherwise vent the complaints you had for this show. "So why engage with it?" vent all you want about it. The show also left a sour taste in my mouth but I think there are worse shows than this. Instead of a emotionally charged 3/10 for the high points this show does have in the first half that I gave a 7/10. But again how someone rates 1/10 for AoT even though it's critically acclaimed that I agree with. Gives different standards that more than likely we won't see eye to eye on each other's scores being the way they are.



Also not true, their was controversies for video games of Concord (biggest financial cancellation disaster for Sony) and Highguard (Wildlight Entertainment studio shutting down after releasing another generic live service hero shooter) with Reddit moderators removing posts that were critical of the game on their threads. Also I use Reddit as an example, as another forum site. Since its the biggest forum site (even more so than MAL) if you want to say "you're comparing apples to oranges" of discourse. Same thing also happened for the live action of Snow White movie (that flopped) over it's controversies as well. Towards trying to single us out, on MAL for being bad actors against your complaints.

I'd recommend watching 90's and 2000's shows instead of 'modern' anime. New stuff is created for a mainstream audience - that's not a bad thing, it's just not as niche and special as it used to be. I didn't like Record of Lodoss War , (the show) I've yet to read the novel. Novels tend to be better because they're unrestricted unlike adaptations. It's good to have an opinion. If we all agreed this forum would be so boring. It's good to have a justified response to something, it means it impacted you. Just remember you're going to encounter alot of 'garbage' in this hobby. Remember also to have fun when consuming anime, manga, light novels and visual novels. Try to see the good in everything you consume before critiquing it. It's also sad to see so many users, instead of simply not agreeing, bantering your profile's creation date. This seems to be a non-sequitor and should be ignored. Maybe anime might not be for you, or, you haven't found the right fit yet. Good luck on your journey.

@Femboy_Hooters Thanks for your reasonable reply. It is sad indeed that people start looking at profiles, as if that matters at all. It is what it is.

I did enjoy the 90s-2000s anime much more, maybe some in the early 2010s as well, I don't think I liked a single anime/manga that came out after 2014, it's just way too focused on popularity and mass production. I kind of quit watching the medium a few years ago, I watched and read a few recently, but can't really get back into it. Mostly just rewatching and discussing stuff I already saw.

I should give Lodoss War a try, it does look better than Grancrest at least.

@IamSoLonely300 It's slow and isn't paced well at all. Smoke some weed and watch it it's not for sober viewing.

Lol I remember almost dropped this show 8 years ago because how insufferable Marrine is..
Now you brought back some old memory..

Also why in almost every MAL discussions I found, there will be like some people with "thousand of history posts" being wiseass and judgmental while not engaging in the main topic of the post itself and instead going on insulting OP? Like at least give some of your points instead just "hurr durr you are a new account and just being butthurt.."

Like geez, so annoying...

@Crocospect22 Yeah, it's funny. As if account age and number of post means anything when it comes to discussing stories lol.